”The Sinner’s Prayer”

The ultimate unbelief and haughty practice concerning – a “The Sinners prayer” – “Salvation Prayer” in the Christian churches.

 To really, fully understand what is happening we need to get into the core of the concept of a “salvation prayer” and the haughtiness and unbelief required to subscribe to such theology, which is very sinful.

Everybody is extremely haughty in the period when the Holy Spirit is convicting us regarding sin and urging us to repent so that we can take the first steps on the Narrow Path of righteousness. It is the Love of God the Father that draws us to Jesus and to the finished work at the cross, His resurrection and His exaltation. We have no other alternative but to let His Blood cleanse us from every sin and worldly desires and from the hard grip our old friend our ego has on us.

It is also the Blood of Jesus which cleanses us from haughtiness. The Blood cleanses all, if we allow it to. So at that moment we repent and totally come under willingness to obey, provided we mean to in our heart, asking forgiveness of sins, especially the haughtiness. Then haughtiness will start to disappear more and more in our lives. Christ will enter in and make us “new beings” and we will have a renewed mind and get born again. This can happen in any sequence as the Lord sees fit. After all, the Lord’s ways are mysterious. This will of course bring faith and the unbelief has to go.

This does not happen too often in the congregation in the western world, because a true, pure and simple Gospel is not preached. Everything else is preached instead.

Gal 1

8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.

9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.

Whatever we preach, provided we end up with the concept of a “Salvation prayer”, we come under the above passage. That is if we deliberately do it after knowing the truth.

The “invention” of an “alter call” and a “salvation prayer” (“sinner’s prayer”) is very old stuff. If one is extremely studious, one can argue that it goes back to the Gnostic and the Nicolaitans, which Jesus hates. (Rev.2:6)

Certainly, this is seen in the period after Luther and of course increasingly from the times of Charles Finney (1792 – 1875) and Dwight Moody (1837-1899). We talk about time and definitely not the person, even if they started taking those called by the Lord into the “back room” and serve them there.

There is no evidence, to the contrary, that these brethren adopted what we now call the altar call and then a salvation prayer. But the foundation was laid when the concept of “back room” was changed with water baptism and water baptism did not always occur. It was only at the beginning of 1900 that the altar call and especially the “sinner’s prayer” was introduced on a large scale by Billy Sunday and at mass meetings held by Billy Graham. In recent times it is Reinhard Bonnke whom most people associate with this, but also evangelists in large.

Alter call and prayer room (backroom) should of course be replaced with a pool of water or the nearest lake or beach, or a bucket of water for that matter. If the willingness remains to baptise believers, an opportunity for baptism will always be there. If you are in the Sahara then bless sand as water. What also should be noted here is that it is sad that Luther did not take argument also against “infant baptism”. He lacked at least two or three “theses”.

We know that evangelists, (me included) sometimes leave the water baptism to the local pastor, agreed upon at pastoral conferences before the meetings. That is a practice that we sometimes can accept. But not even that is according to the description in the First Church. 3000 were baptised on Pentecostal Day.

We really, really hope that a Godly form of “safety control” is the practice if such a practice is used, if not the evangelists for sure have to return to do the job themselves, which I had to do more than once. So because of that I have more or less stopped leaving it to the local pastor.

Acts 2

37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?”

38Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

We do not pinpoint some of these men of God and evangelists who really surely lead and are leading many thousands on the path to Heaven. But we will here explain the point of that haughtiness in this particular “phenomenon”; “salvation prayer”.

Many of these also in their preaching concentrate on rebirth which is what we need to concentrate on. But they also have what should not be there, namely the declaration that “now you are saved”. And we’re not talking about saved out of this world. We are talking about that being established that when you die you will go to Heaven.

The same thing applies when we speak of “eternal security”, which will come back to. When we mention names, it is just to get the time period and the order in which it has occurred within this period. We put our finger on the haughtiness that occurs even in men of God who have “big” names in history. We want get the “how long and how widely this has been going on” into the open.

We would also like to mention that there are studies showing that the number of backsliders after a “salvation prayer” and an “altar call” are around 84 to 97%.

Paul Washer revealed on a video that Billy Graham would be “happy” if just 5% of those who come to an alter call are actually “saved”. What he forgot to mention was that 95 % then get lost, probably. Let’s pray and hope for something better. Let’s hope and pray the all will be saved one day. The problem is, many of them have been told they are “saved”

What we do is that we exalt ourselves to decide who goes to heaven. It is not only the haughtiness in this which we shall deal with in this chapter. it is also unbelief, in more than one way. There are books today that deal with this “prayer of salvation” and a few examples are; “Ten indictments Against the Modern Church” by Paul Washer and especially “The Sinner’s Prayer – Fact Or Fiction?” by Andrew Strom. Even a search online provides millions of hits and Wikipedia have even come up with an article in the latest entry.

2Co 5

7 For we walk by faith, not by sight.

8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.

9 Therefore we make it our aim, whether present or absent, to be well pleasing to Him.

10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

Rev 20:15

And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

So it’s Jesus who will execute judgment. He will one day let you know who goes where. It is the fact that we have taken on that role, which is the disaster. This is the arrogance, the haughtiness, the pride and the unbelief, adding disobedience of course.

Every priest and pastor in every funeral has taken the role of Jesus and is judging the dead and those in sorrow into Heaven.

We can recite the many scriptures about the promises and explanations, but there’s no denying:

John 3

5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’

8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

Likewise;

John 4

23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.

24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

These passages deal with the same thing. If not, there would be contradictions in Scripture, and in fact there are not. This would also be arrogance if we think there could contradiction in the Scriptures. We have to be humble enough and accept that we do not know everything yet.

Can anyone tell me how we are to worship in spirit and truth without being in spirit and truth? And since it is Jesus who baptizes in the Holy Spirit we most leave it up to Him when He does this. This is also the great mistake we make when we tell others the time when they were baptised in the Holy Spirit and Fire by Jesus. What we actually do is to tell Jesus when He baptises someone in the Holy Spirit.

It is Jesus who baptises, so how can we proclaim something like that in another believer’s life? Some claim there is proof of this like speaking in tongues. But they are wrong simply because they should leave it to Jesus when He does these wonderful tings. There is no such biblical truth either. You don’t find it in the Scriptures for the same reason. Leave it to the Lord!

The preaching of repentance, baptism, remission of sins and Spirit baptism has long been shelved for a while. This is the fatal mistake that came after finger-pointing preaching also by famous evangelists. It is strange that we cannot manage to keep ourselves in the middle of the road, in the centre of the well-lit area for more than a few years. Even the “Azusa Street” revival faded pretty fast, also because of arrogance and unbelief.

The moment we say; “Now you are saved and go to Heaven when you die”, then we exalt ourselves. Many believers are not aware of this, but it is definitely the case.

Mat 10:22 And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved.

It’s that simple. It is Jesus who decides. No matter what some others might think. We must humble ourselves to let Him decide who goes to Heaven and who goes to Hell, one day. It is of course a disaster also to tell someone to go to Hell or to think of them as deserving to go to Hell. Both suggestions are similar errors. Both statements are judgmental. If only we could be so humble and admit that Jesus decides. Yes, we have the promises, and the promises cannot fail, but still we must not tell God Almighty what He can and cannot do.

The fact is this: when you are born again, you do not need to constantly be reminded that “now you’re saved”. We thank Jesus 24/7 for our rebirth. What we talk with Him about is one thing, but what we proclaim in the lives of others is another thing. We cannot proclaim the saving faith in the heart. It’s the Holy Spirit who does that. He is the Only One who can do that. And when given a guarantee from the Holy Spirit we do not need to hear it from others.

It is the same people who criticize both the one and the other who pray a quick salvation prayer with people and send them out into the world with a pat on the back and a good luck to follow. Just as if God Almighty is dependent on luck! It is most arrogant and full of disbelief.

These same people are also the ones who assume the following, as an explanation to justify “salvation prayer” and to give references in the Scriptures of this “phenomenon”.. Let us try to explain the phenomenon that is being used for verification that a salvation prayer has been a success. They are looking for gifts from the Holy Spirit, and when it is seen by one in his or her life, it is used to verify the success in those who have prayed this prayer. It is also sad to note that invitation to baptism is often omitted.

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

For with this saying, they claim that they have produced something. They forget that it is the Holy Spirit who produces this, and it is His gift in one’s life.

But when Jesus talks about fruit it is something quite different:

John 4:36 And he that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto life eternal: that both he that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together.

NLT says: “… the fruit they harvest is people brought to eternal life…”

Further:

Mat 12:33 “Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or else make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for a tree is known by its fruit.

Mat 13:8-9 But others fell on good ground and yielded a crop: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!”

Mat 13:23 But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.”

But they forget (like many others) and make the big mistake (like many others), they take things out of context. Therefore the verses of the fruit of the Spirit can’t be used alone as they do. The sum of God’s Word is the Truth:

Gal 5

1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.

2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.

3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.

4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.

7 You ran well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth?

8 This persuasion does not come from Him who calls you.

9 A little leaven leavens the whole lump.

10 I have confidence in you, in the Lord, that you will have no other mind; but he who troubles you shall bear his judgment, whoever he is.

11 And I, brethren, if I still preach circumcision, why do I still suffer persecution? Then the offense of the cross has ceased.

12 I could wish that those who trouble you would even cut themselves off!

13 For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.

14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.”

15 But if you bite and devour one another, beware lest you be consumed by one another!

16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.

17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.

18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,

20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,

21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.

24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

(A chapter is the minimum of what we have to deal with if we are to provide a solid reference for things that are very difficult).

Psa 119:160 The entirety of Your word is truth, And every one of Your righteous judgments endures forever.

So when someone then tries frantically to find scriptures that support a “salvation prayer” that they fall short because it is more than the fruit of the Spirit. It is also very largely fruit of the harvest. But to take it further and use Gal. 5:22 to say that when one has prayed a “salvation prayer” with someone, it is simply to look for the Fruit of the Spirit., Furthermore, if you find any of this, then everything is in order. Similarly, we say that if one has one of the errors in Gal. 5:19-21, then you are not “saved”. Both these statements are nonsense and arrogance of course.

I can assure you that you might find many gangsters who will claim they have one or more of these things present in their lives; love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control.

The world can give these things in a worldly fleshy way. And many are mistaken.

We can assure you that we are therefore not looking to point out errors or defects in the preaching of anyone, but to “highlight” names among the “pillars” because what has been practised is something that we would call arrogance. We are all proud in some way and these “famous” preachers have, with the help of the Holy Spirit, perhaps led millions to Jesus. But that’s not the point. The point is that we must understand that even the most “trusted” pillars fall under this haughtiness and unbelief.

For it is so that “easy” and “nice” “actions” have taken over, meaning to say that it seems to be the easiest thing in the world to get a free ride to Heaven. It is not so.

Who says that it should be so easy to get into Heaven? It has now reached such a stage that we do not need to believe in order to get into Heaven. God’s grace is enough. Well this is a massive lie.

Not everyone will go to Heaven:

Rev 22

15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

16 “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star.”

So in addition to this we have all the parables of Jesus and a number of statements.

Mat 7

“Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.

14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.

16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?

17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.

19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’

23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ (underline added)

Luk 13

23 Then one said to Him, “Lord, are there few who are saved?” And He said to them,

24 “Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able. (underline added)

As we see, it’s not just the Gate who is narrow, but Way too. When we are going to understand and accept this? Today people think that the road to Heaven is so wide that it is almost impossible to go astray. Maybe we will refer to it sooner or later, but read the second most read book in England after the Bible, namely The Pilgrim’s Progress by John Bunyan. Read at same time how he came to write the book (and in prison). Try a “Google Search”

We do not need to give more references. Read the Scriptures carefully and you will find that the seductive, “easy and nice”, convenient teaching which now characterizes the preaching, is not found in Scripture. Take for instance a couple of examples from Luke.

We just want to remind you that what is impossible with men is clearly possible with God and that all need to be born again.

So we conclude this chapter by saying in short:

We must be humble enough to trust the Lord to give us assurance of Eternal Life.

Humility is courageous confidence in a God who keeps promises. We can have 100% confidence in Him. Humility is to have confidence in the Father. Humility is to entrust all things to Him. Humility is to Fear God.

So now gradually we begin to understand the tip of the iceberg when it comes to arrogance in unbelief. Eventually, we will also take a little look at what is beneath the water and then leave it to the reader to assess whether pride and unbelief is important to get rid of it from everyone’s life. This also applies to those who are born again. The flesh is after all fighting the Spirit. Constantly!

It is of course leaders, pastors and elders who must take the main blame for the current state of the church. That is because the few who come to faith are subjected to this hilarious, outrageous, false “salvation prayer”, but having said that, each member has not done his or her job to test everything. When we really analyse the “salvation prayer” and make claims that could be hard for many to swallow. We should go into prayer and ask the Holy Spirit to reveal to us only the truth, and whether it is according to Scripture or not.

There must now be an end to the lukewarm-ness, which is why today we may not have more than about 2% of those who claim to be born again who is in fact truly born gain. This is because of one thing:

Unbelief / haughtiness.

What is required rather, than a simple salvation prayer, is the Gospel of total surrender. When Jesus can see in your heart that a total surrender has taken place, the Holy Spirit will do the rest. That’s what promises are. It’s this that is calling Jesus; Lord.

Joh 1

12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:

13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

It is this that we need to take to our hearts. It is this that we need to believe, that we need to be born of God. Born Again!

Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

This definition of faith implies total surrender; nothing less..

When a figure like 2% of the congregation being born again is mentioned, we do not want to go into detail about it, but the reader can begin to figure it out for himself, and begin to test this claim.

Leonard Ravenhill goes this far in his claim, and we agree with this. He says, among other things, to put it very simply, “The Prayer of Salvation has led more people to hell than all the bars in America combined.”

When someone says “pray after me” and ends with “now you are saved” they preach a false gospel.

Finally in this Chapter, we should mention something about “God TV” (not the specific channel of that name; it is used in the generic sense) and certain websites. These media are experts in declaring that: “Pray after me so that you will go to Heaven when you die.” But they have got it ALL wrong. For example, who will baptize those who “accept” a false “salvation prayer”? Never have I heard anyone tell the viewer to ask a local Bible-believing church to baptize him.. I have asked some friends and they can verify that this has very seldom happened. “God TV” therefore has a major problem. Or in fact, a double major problem that they have to answer for one day. And this is arrogance or haughtiness, as well as unbelief.

Even the devil believes in Jesus. Hitler believed in God. Muslims and Hindus believe in Jesus. There are many who believe in Jesus. How is it with you? Do you believe in Jesus? Well, that is no guarantee of not spending eternity in Hell. Hell would one day then be full of people who have declared that they believe in God. They claim to know about Jesus. But Jesus actually says You must be born again. –

Joh 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

What is worth noting here is that those who think that saying “I believe in Jesus” provides guaranteed admitance into Heaven, always supporting this with Paul’s letters. Why on earth can they not see that these letters were written precisely to remove this lie of the diluted, “Lite” gospel? Over three tearful years, night and day, Paul had to exhort these churches. And this is what they refer to, in order to support their claims? I do not know whether to laugh or cry!

To explain how wrong and diabolical this is, here is a teaching from a website:

QUOTE:

How to become a Christian:

You can do this by praying a simple prayer:

“God, thank you for sending Jesus Christ and showing us who you are. Thank you that Jesus died and rose again for everyone and for me. Let me be your child and live the rest of my life as a follower of yours.

Thank you”.

UNQUOTE

Not only do they compromise their own doctrines of course, but furthermore is all blasphemy against God’s Word.

It is sad, so unspeakably sad – Such huge degree of haughtiness unbelief, and they are in for a big fall.

At the moment I have just bought and gone through a new “Spirit-Filled Life” “study Bible” 2002 edition that came in the mail yesterday. I was careful to buy a new one when we were in Norway, since Amazon is very quick on delivery of books there. The previous edition that I had, I gave away at Manila International Airport.

Yes, you should always be entitled to give away the Word of God. Freely, we have received it and freely, we give. When you come to talk to someone who needs a Bible, especially in this case as it was a lady who was travelling alone to a Muslim country, we should be ultra quick to respond, no matter how many yellow, blue, green and red personal underlines that we have in our “own favourite bible” …

This new Bible, however, is almost an exact copy of the old one, and has been attributed to various extra material at the end that was not in the old version. A number of quite well known evangelists and others have come up with some “To assist you” material as well. This one is, after all a “study Bible” so should this should be included.. But in one of they have written, something that has been added called “How to lead a person to salvation,” and it is what I would call a particularly sad idea.

I browsed quite quickly as one does with new things sometimes, and somehow my eyes fell on a section where it says:

“… you can now be sure that you will have eternal life in Heaven “-” When you pray after me, He will forgive you of sin and He will give you eternal life. ”

So then the book suggests a fairly well known salvation prayer that contains the words, “I ask you to give me eternal life”

So they have managed to sneak this extremely dangerous forgery into Bibles through the back door. The publisher boasts on the cover “over 2 million sold”. So what should have been a joyful message is now a less joyful message. How many millions of people have learned this lie in churches, libraries, schools, bible schools? We can only weep!

Yet again, rebirth is sadly not mentioned. Yet again, water baptism and Spirit baptism go unmentioned. Yet again, you are given an assurance that, “Pray with me and you will go to Heaven when you die.” What arrogance! What haughtiness! Those responsible are in for a big fall.

I should like to add that I’ve just been reading the “Heavenly Man” for the second time. If you have not already done so read it! Yun, the man who got this nickname from his guards and the authorities, is deeply troubled how far the western countries have defiled the Gospel by making it into something different. He, as many other Chinese, cannot recognise it when they hear it. Neither can I.

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Hebrew Chapter One

JESUS is the one through whom God speaks.

JESUS (and we together with Him if we believe as the Scripture say) will inherit the Kingdom and all things.

JESUS was there when God created the universe.

JESUS radiates God’s Glory

JESUS expresses the character and image of God

JESUS sustains all things by the mighty power of His command

JESUS cleans us from sin

JESUS is seated at the right hand of God

JESUS is born of God the Father

JESUS was brought into this world by God

JESUS is called God by the Father

JESUS’ Throne endures forever

JESUS rules with a sceptre of justice

JESUS loves justice and hates evil

JESUS is anointed by the Father

JESUS laid the foundations of the world at the beginning of time.

JESUS made the heavens with His hands

JESUS will remain forever

JESUS will fold up and discard the heaven and the earth

These are just a few things the Bible says about our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

There can be no doubt about what the Scriptures say about Jesus. All this and more is repeated in the rest of the Scriptures.

En deling og grunning over Judas Brev.

apostacy

3 Kjære, kjære venner, jeg hadde planlagt å skrive til dere om den frelsen Gud har gitt oss. Nå forstår jeg at jeg må skrive om noe helt annet. Dere trenger en formaning. Hold fast på den sannheten Gud gav dere, en gang for alle, så hans menighet kan bevare den uforandret.

Her har vi med andre ord et påtenkt brev som Judas ser seg nødt til å forandre. Grunnen er nøyaktig det samme som i dag. Så mange i dag sier at: «hvorfor er det nødvendig å advare så mye?» Vel hele Skriften er full av advarsler. Det starter med en advarsel som; «Et ikke va treet for da vil dere dø!» og slutter med «Ta ikke noe bort fra Skriften for da går du til Helvete!»

Ja det er nemlig det disse vranglærere gjør; DE TAR NOE BORT FRA SKRIFTEN!

Det er tre til fire overstelletser som bil bli brukt her; Norsk Data Bibel 88B, KJV, NLT og Levende Bok som over. Dette for å sette lys på et par viktige ting. Vanligvis bruker jeg kun en oversettelse når jeg skriver for ikke å bli beskyldt for å gjøre som Rick Warren i «Purposedriven life». Forvirre og trikse for å få frem det han vil vri det til. Vel det er ikke meningen her.

Vi blir her fortalt å holde ting uforandret. Det betyr i alle tilfeller å forkynne det evangeliet som Jesus forkynte. Men i dag vil de fleste ikke gjøre det. Det har blitt for KJEDELIG! Man sier med dette at vi vet bedre enn den Hellige Ånd. Og man sier dessuten at det er oss og ikke den Hellige Ånd som skal virke. Men «ikke legg til og ikke trekk ifra» er budet.

4 Når jeg skriver dette, er det fordi ugudelige lærere har sneket seg inn blant dere. De påstår at kristne kan leve akkurat som de vil uten å frykte Guds straff. Det går bare en vei med slike mennesker, for de har vendt seg mot vår mester og Herre, Jesus Kristus.

KJV sier; “turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness” – “Vende vår Guds nåde til skamløshet”.

Det er en ganske kraftig påstand. Men det var sant den gangen og det er sant i dag. Disse som forkynner dette og også de som blir lurt til å tro dette får denne advarsel;

5 Det er bare ett svar å gi dem: Herren frelste et helt folk ut av Egypt, men senere utryddet han alle dem som ikke ville tro. 6 Jeg minner dere også om englene som engang var rene og hellige. Med vilje vendte de seg mot et liv i synd, og nå sitter de i mørkets fengsel og venter på dommens dag

NLT sier; “So I want to remind you, though you already know these things, that Jesus[b] first rescued the nation of Israel from Egypt, but later he destroyed those who did not remain faithful.”
b) 5 Other manuscripts read [the] Lord, or God, or God Christ.

Altså det påpekes at det var Jesus som gjorde dette.

Derfor er det på ingen måte noe rom for å misforstå hvordan det vil gå med de som med vitende og vilje og med en egen agenda forkynner disse vranglærene vi har i dag. Denne falske nåden, dette falske felleskapet, denne måten de drar inn penger på, denne nye måten og presenterer Jesus på; en som bærer over med synd.

8 Likevel fortsetter disse vranglærerne å leve et ondt, umoralsk liv. …
De vet at Skriften advarer mot det de gjør, men deres egen agenda er så viktig for dem at de gir blaffen i hva Skriften sier. Hvordan tro du disse vil kunne forsvare seg for Jesus Kristus sin Domstol en dag?

10 Disse mennene, derimot, spotter og forbanner alt de ikke forstår. De er som dyr, uten fornuft, og oppnår bare å ødelegge seg selv.

Så det er dette vi bør nevne de ved og advare om; «disse som ligner dyr uten fornuft». Men gjør man det vil man bli skjelt ut av omtrent alle som betegner seg som «kristne». Men Skriften gjør det, altså Jesus gjør det. Og dermed må en etterfølge gjøre det.

11 Stakkars dem! De følger Kains eksempel – og gjør hva som helst bare de får penger for det. Akkurat som Korah er de ulydige mot Gud og tror at de skal vinne på det. De kommer til å gå til grunne!

12 Disse menneskene spiser kjærlighetsmåltidet sammen med dere, men de er bare til skam. De ler, fråtser og stapper i seg mat uten å tenke på andre. De oppfører seg akkurat som skyer som blåser over tørt land uten å gi regn. De lover mye, men gir ingenting, – er som frukttrær uten frukt. Ja, de er ikke bare døde, men dobbelt døde, – rykket opp med rot for å brennes.

Det oppfordres her til å ikke ta nattverd med slike mennesker. Men hva er det disse mennesker sier under nattverden, jo; «kom og spis og drikk så kan du regne deg som frelst!»

13 Alt de etterlater seg, er skam og spott, – lik skummet som blir liggende på stranden når bølgene har strukket seg tilbake. De går omkring og ser strålende ut, lyser som stjerner, men foran dem ligger et evig mørke.

19 De volder splittelse, de elsker det onde i denne verden, de har ikke den Hellige Ånd boende i seg.

Men når du snakker med dem så er de raske til å fortelle deg at det er du som volder splittelse som ikke vil innordne deg under deres autoritet. Men de har ingen autoritet, de er bare onde fordi de vil ha autorietet så ingen skal kunne motsi dem.

Så la oss avslutte med Judas sin avslutning. La oss legge oss dette på hjerte at om noen skriker så mye han orker når du drar ham ut etter håret fra den bygningen som brenner så bry deg ikke om det.

20 Men dere, kjære venner, må desto sterkere bygge livet på deres hellige tros grunnvoll, idet dere lærer å be i den Hellige Ånds kraft og styrke.

21 Hold dere alltid innenfor de grenser, der Guds kjærlighet kan nå dere og velsigne dere. Vent tålmodig på det evige liv, som vår Herre Jesus Kristus i sin nåde vil gi dere. 22 Forsøk å hjelpe dem som diskuterer med dere. Vær barmhjertige mot dem som tviler. 23 Frels noen ved å rive dem ut av helvetes flammer. Andre skal dere hjelpe til å finne Herren ved å være gode mot dem, men ta dere i vare så dere ikke selv blir trukket med i deres synder. Hat hver trevl av deres synd, mens dere samtidig er barmhjertige mot dem som synder.

24 Må så all ære gå til ham som alene er Gud, han som frelser oss ved Jesus Kristus, vår Herre. All makt og myndighet er hans fra begynnelsen. Hans er det og hans skal det bli for evig. Og han er mektig til å bevare dere, så dere ikke snubler og faller. En dag skal han stille dere framfor seg, feilfrie og jublende. Amen.

Hilsen Judas.

From “REBELLIOUS UNBELIEF”

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Matthew 14
The Death of John the Baptist
14 When Herod Antipas, the ruler of Galilee,[a] heard about Jesus, 2 he said to his advisers, “This must be John the Baptist raised from the dead! That is why he can do such miracles.”
3 For Herod had arrested and imprisoned John as a favor to his wife Herodias (the former wife of Herod’s brother Philip). 4 John had been telling Herod, “It is against God’s law for you to marry her.” 5 Herod wanted to kill John, but he was afraid of a riot, because all the people believed John was a prophet.
6 But at a birthday party for Herod, Herodias’s daughter performed a dance that greatly pleased him, 7 so he promised with a vow to give her anything she wanted. 8 At her mother’s urging, the girl said, “I want the head of John the Baptist on a tray!” 9 Then the king regretted what he had said; but because of the vow he had made in front of his guests, he issued the necessary orders.10 So John was beheaded in the prison, 11 and his head was brought on a tray and given to the girl, who took it to her mother. 12 Later, John’s disciples came for his body and buried it. Then they went and told Jesus what had happened.

The same thing happens today. If you tell someone who call himself a believer, but have committed the same sin as this King you will be “beheaded”. All because of harden of hearts and then again rebellious unbelief. It is no doubt that the Scripture is crystal clear in this matters:

Luke 16:18
“For example, a man who divorces his wife and marries someone else commits adultery. And anyone who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery.”

1 Corinthians 7
10 But for those who are married, I have a command that comes not from me, but from the Lord.[a] A wife must not leave her husband. 11 But if she does leave him, let her remain single or else be reconciled to him. And the husband must not leave his wife.

Footnotes:
a. 7:10 See Matt 5:32; 19:9; Mark 10:11-12; Luke 16:18.

1 Corinthians 7
39 A wife is bound to her husband as long as he lives. If her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but only if he loves the Lord.[a]

Footnotes:
a. 7:39 Greek but only in the Lord.

For those who don’t believe in this I have a question for you;

How many times can a man remarry? 10 times? Five times? One time? Or zero times?

See! If you can remarry once you can also remarry 100 times. Even out in the world they will call you by bad names if you remarry more than two or three. The congregation is far, far of the point in this matters. Pastors let people who live in adultery preach or sing or serve as much as they want in “their” congregations without lifting a finger if they get confronted. They rather behead the one who remind them.

There is no end to excuses when it comes to this. Why don’t you pastors buy yourself the new “bible”? The one for homosexuals. It is on the marked now. There they have erased this unpleasant verses for you. Or better; repent face down and get rid of your harden hearts and unbelief!
There is so many “funny” stories here. I will print one;

One “evangelist” came with a very good excuse indeed when I posted something about this at Facebook (FB).

1 Timothy 3
2 So an elder must be a man whose life is above reproach. He must be faithful to his wife.[a] He must exercise self-control, live wisely, and have a good reputation. He must enjoy having guests in his home, and he must be able to teach.

Footnotes:
a. 3:2 Or must have only one wife, or must be married only once; Greek reads must be the husband of one wife; also in 3:12.

In KJV it say like in the footnote: (Which I use at that time I believe.
) A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

So he explain to me with great “understanding” and let there be no doubt that this means that a man could not be involved in polygamy. In other words be a bigamist. It had noting to do with being faithful to once spouse!

He probably had never red this:
1 Timothy 5
9 A widow who is put on the list for support must be a woman who is at least sixty years old and was faithful to her husband.[a]

Footnotes:
a. 5:9 Greek was the wife of one husband.

It is not very often you read about a woman being in polygamy is it? That she had many husbands at the same time.

So this “evangelist” tried to explain to me what this really, really meant in the Scripture was that someone who serve in the congregation could not be or have been in polygamy or be a bigamist. He even tried to give a proof of this by the rules by the Romans who ruled Ephesus at that time. But he then “bit himself in his tail” (the same as satan does when he twist the Scripture) because it would be absolutely unnecessary for Paul to write to Timothy about polygamy, about the rules of the Romans since both of them knew this very good.

Long time ago the Romans (and Greeks for that matter) had forbidden polygamy in the land they ruled. And by the way as this “evangelist” tried to explained, it was not any more a great practise by the Jews to live in polygamy like in the old days.

So of course since it was forbidden by the law to live in polygamy it is not what Paul meant when he wrote to Timothy. But for those who really, really want to twist the scripture they are willing to go as far as necessary to make excuses. Harden hearts and rebellious unbelief.

From the foreword to the new book; “rebellious unbelief”

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Foreword

An enormous number of books have already been written about faith. Attempts to describe and to explain faith and belief have been made from A to Z. Actually, there is little to be said about belief and faith. These are already perfectly described in Hebrew 11, and elsewhere. Unfortunately, many misleading books have been written about faith.

Many people claim that they believe or have faith. But in fact what they have is merely a fleshy, feint hope. Also, many have tried to say that doubt is not the opposite of faith, explaining that this is unbelief. This, of course is wrong, because doubt and unbelief are two sides of the same coin. And that coin is produced by Satan.

Furthermore, today’s teaching is that unbelief is to be pitied as a kind of sickness. And that lack of faith is a normal thing to have, even if you call yourself a “born again”. This is the most pitted fault there is; not to treat unbelief and rebuke it, like Jesus does. Moreover, there is the big lie that doubt is a part of our faith. We shall address all these lies in this book.

In the last book written in Norwegian – “Hovmod” (Haughtiness) we address some of these issues. Some of these chapters will be translated and put in this book, where they belong as the Holy Spirit dictates.

Let us start by quoting a man of God led by the Spirit;

“Today (in the congregation) unbelief is treated as a “sickness” that ought to be pitied instead of being confronted as the sin that it is”.

Unbelief is mentioned in the bible as “The Sin”. It goes hand in hand with haughtiness and it has to be confronted, which indeed we will do in this book. We will confront all those pastors who think they can twist the Scripture with no consequences and all those leaders and elders who do this deliberately. We will correct the congregation in their mistaken understanding and we will furthermore preach a simple, pure, full and true Gospel.

There are today mainly three (among many) kinds of false teachings which tend to spore atheistic churches, which pop up like mushrooms after the rain. This is so called “hyper grace” – the false grace gospel, witch walks hand in hand with the “once saved always saved” (OSAS), or “eternal safety” if you like. And the other is known as the “prosperity gospel”. First and foremost, we should probably be mentioning the false doctrine of the Catholic Church. Then on top of these there are all the sects and cults.

They are all false, and those who preach them have accursed themselves and can expect a big fall. Many of those who have “bought into it” are confused and are lukewarm and they all have to repent.

As with “Hovmod” (Haughtiness), this book is not for the faint hearted. It is going to confront you big time, and hopefully make you want to repent. This is what Jesus calls agape love. It is not a loving attitude if you tell someone who is walking the highway to Hell that he is OK. That is cowardly and hateful to the Truth.

There will be many times in this book you will read; “If you believe, you obey” and it also follows that “if you don’t obey you don’t believe”

It will be mentioned so many times that you will probably get pretty tired of it. But before finishing the book you will give your heart and your will to the Lord. Or you will quit reading and continue to be disobedient, full of your own pride and rebellious unbelief.

Another comment you will hear often in this book is: “To go out and preach is a commandment, not a suggestion!”

Hell will one day be full of people to claim they believe in God.

Mat 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

Mat 7:22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ (Underline added)

Mat 7:23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

All of these will claim they believe. But as the teaching of Jesus continues; He declares that it is those who do the will of the Father who will go to Heaven.

That means that those who choose NOT to do the will of the Father, purposely being disobedient, will not go there.

As I mention in the foreword of “Hovmod” (Haughtiness), it is of course not all the time pleasant to focus on the negative about being a Christian and being one who is constantly confronting and angle into the text in the Scripture to allow the negative side of the believer come to light. I believe on the other hand that it is time for books like this to appear more and more on the market, as the time is more and more imminent for the return of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ.

Therefore the reader has to bear over or be patient in a way that we can “overdo” some times. It can be too much. Our advice when that happens is to put the book aside, but not forget about it. Start reading again when the Holy Spirit reminds you. Bear over with us also if we should make the error of having belief that is negative or even wrong. After all, it is good if we are wrong when we address unbelief and haughtiness in the church.

When you are in Spiritual, emotional and even physical pain, when some of the members on the Body are in pain, you know what this means. What the Body needs today is the voice of all this who feel this pain. So many are controlled to be silent! So many have the teaching of “don’t rock the boat”! So many have wrongly been thought to not oppose the leaders no matter what! So many are sitting idle when the ship is obviously going to hit an iceberg and sink!

So our hope is that you as a “churchgoer” will raise your voice after reading this book and first take the plank out of your own eye, and then remove the speck in your brother’s eye. Then unison confronts the leaders and pastors in the church about their unbelief and haughtiness. That you pastors and leaders, elders and what ever you call yourself, will be humble enough to admit your unbelief and haughtiness, repent and start to preach a pure Gospel and doctrine. Full of Faith and Truth!

John 3:36 (KJV)

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 3:18 (KJV)

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

The fact is that the church is in a prophetic state of rebellious unbelief and haughtiness. It might be wrong to even say this about the Church where Jesus is the Head. But if the Church is the Body and the Body is those who believe, as the Scripture say, the born again, the obedient assembly of men of woman of God, then it is time to realize what we are facing approx. 2 billion (2000 million) people who think they are on the way to heaven but roam around on the highway to Hell.

John ends the Gospel of Jesus Christ this way:

But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. (John 20:31 (KJV))

It seems to us that the Bible is crystal-clear about the fact that faith and belief come from hearing (or reading) the Word of God. It can’t be many sound doctrines and preachers or evangelists, nor many who study their Bible.

We hope this book will open up your eyes to your rebellious unbelief and harden of heart that comes from haughtiness and, by that, you will start to ask the Lord of the gift of discernment of spirits and then again also start to really, really STUDY your Bible.

Some OSAS believers say my son is in heaven. Some say he was never saved. What a mixed up doctrine!

How The “Once Saved Always Saved” Hyper Grace Message Killed My Son.
29. april 2015 kl. 07:43
“They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.” (Jeremiah 6:14)

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Hello, My name is Rev. Alan A. Auclair and this is the story of how “Once Saved Always Saved” (also called OSAS) lead to the direct demise of my son, Joshua Auclair who at just 20 years of age lost his addiction battle with drugs. Josh was no angel, but he could have been a saint if it was not for the teachings of OSAS.

At birth I gave my son the name Joshua Isaac. My prayer for him was that he would grow up with a soft heart for God and obey Him. Sadly. his mother and divorced against my will when he was just one year old. As an absent father I kept in touch with him as much as I could. I bought him his first Bible when he was eight years old.

When he called on the phone my favorite thing to tell him was that he needed to “Be a man of God with integrity: I explained to him that integrity meant doing the right thing even when nobody was looking because God sure was.” This advice touched him greatly. He often would repeat these words to others though out his brief life.

When Josh visited me he gave his heart to The Lord. He was just 15. I baptized him in a friends pool. I taught Josh about holiness and to always be open to listen God and obey his commands. By doing so he would avoid danger and pitfalls live a long life. Josh agreed he was destined to live for God. He had such s a soft tender place for Him.

When he returned back to Kansas, Josh started going to the local methodist Church. Sadly, one of the ember of the congregation befriended Josh and introduced him to “Once saved always saved” theology . He was told nothing he did would matter to God, he was always saved by grace. Later,Josh and I talked and Josh rebuked me for telling him to live holy. I was shocked. I told him sin would destroy any salvation he had left. Sadly it did. Encouraged by his friends and mother (my ex) at the age of 13, Josh gave into the drug culture.

At 17 years of age, unbeknownst to me, (I was living overseas as a missionary at that time) Josh became a full blow meth addict and was living on the streets. Josh reached out for help from the Christian community and ran into a man I will call John. John gave josh a place to stay, food to eat and cloths for his body. John was also a OSAS believer and hyper grace teacher. If John had wanted, he could have lead backslidden Josh to repentance, but his wicked doctrine was more import than a lost soul. To curb Josh’s drug addiction John gave him marijuana and even smoked it with him.

John and Josh would stay up late and listen to the band “As I lay Dying” the hardest “Christian Rock” you could find and get totally stoned. He would tell Josh “Hey, God is not mad at you. even if you gave up your addiction it would not please God. We are saved by grace” Josh found this message very liberating.

Later Josh shared this message with his mom it and she also became a OSAS hyper grace believer. Together mother and son started taking drugs with new “freedom” and into full addiction. “We are saved by grace” she would say stoned out of her mind to her druggie friends. Josh would say “amen”.

On August 30, 2011 Josh’s mom decided to have a belated birthday party for Josh since he had just turned 20 years old on July 12th and she was not in town. They had all the best drugs weed, meth, oxycodone, oxymorphine (Opana). Josh tried them all. later that night Josh lost consciousness and went into respiratory arrest. Since his mother owned prescription of oxyporphine she knew he was dying. She sought to save herself from arrest. No ambulance was called for Josh. He passed away just after 3 AM, August 31 2011.

Some OSAS believers say my son is in heaven. Some say he was never saved. To those OSAS hyper grace believers who want to say it was all Josh’s fault and he was not saved. My question to you then is WHO TOLD HIM HE WAS?? Who told him obedience was not required for salvation? Who told him God was not mad at him. Who caused him to justify his drug use in his mind and to dive into it without any fear of death?? I will tell you who …. YOUR WICKED DOCTRINE! God said TURN AND LIVE and you say “LIVE IT UP”, God is not mad. You are Once Saved Always Saved. Now Josh is dead and I will never be able to hold my dear son again.

Finally, I know many of you are are sympathetic to the OSAS hyper grace message, let me tell you that the truth of OSAS lies at the bottom of my son’s grave. Sin KILLS. SIN does not just effect YOU. It effects everyone around you also. SIN is the enemy of God and those who promote sin under the guise of grace will be accountable. My sons blood demands it!

Anointed to preach,

Rev. Alan A. Auclair

Unbelief has to do with disobedience. Little faith is another thing. That has to do with doubt.

Matt 14:31:
And immediately Jesus stretched forth [his] hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?

1 Pet.2
7 Unto you therefore which believe [he is] precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, [even to them] which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
(Underline mine)

You can not force your given faith in Jesus Christ or our faith given in doing miracles or even healing onto other fellow believers and not to unbelievers of course.

Faith is a gift and it comes from hearing the Word of God. (Or study/meditating.) Some say that we have unbelief because we don’t wake up dead. Or cast out demons. Well Jesus mention that some time demons don’t leave because of little faith.

But mainly, and as a very clear Biblical fact, unbelief has to do with disobedience. Ref. 1. Peter 2:7-8. And of course many other places we find the same. The Sin is after all disobedience. Ref. John 14-15-16.

If we do things without faith in the spiritual we sin. So to try to push onto others your faith with the intention that they should act on your faith will be to tempt people into sinning.

We can talk about miracles as much as we want. But button line will be that if you want to do the greatest ting you harvest people for eternal life. Remember what kind of party there is in Heaven when only one repents! The miracle to be born again is so great that Jesus say we will never in this life be able to explain it.

Have a blessed harvest from now and until Jesus come back. GO OUT!

New Years wishes, well here is one, can’t be much better.

Stop being afraid of man, and stop the fear of the congregation all you cowardly pastors. Get the Fear of God back in your life and start to kick some buts for crying out load!

Why on earth don’t the pastors in all this churches confront the lukewarm? Because they are also in the darkness! And they also don’t want to come to the light. Why because of the love of money. They are concerned about the tiding, the 5 % or less, their job, their income. They are also cowards who purposely hold the congregation in ignorance so they can stay.

You see there are no room for repentance in lukewarm. We can hope for turning to hot, but the normal way will be and should be through cold. That means that to turn from lukewarm to hot there is a great danger of just being something between lukewarm and hot which is still lukewarm. So how can they get cold?

Well they have been told for so long they are ok and on the way to Heaven so their disobedience and sin have made them more or less unable to listen to the Holy Spirit. They need to be confronted with the Word of God from the pulpit, or directly in a conversation. It is still from the Holy Spirit if it is done with Love.

Normally they will leave instead of repenting and find another congregation witch suits into their lukewarm state, which is of course very easy. Therefore they have to be confronted so severe that they don’t forget it even if they change church. It will follow them at night in bed and in the car to work. They will hate you for doing that, but there is a reward for you in Heaven.

Because if their heart is right and it is the devil who has just tricked them they will in the end repent. There is not much greater love you find than in the “lost son”. And they came out humble and full of willingness to serve in the harvest field. If they have a harden heart full of rebellious unbelief they will not repent, but you have then after all get them away from young people who they often influence.

Stop being afraid of man, and stop the fear of the congregation all you cowardly pastors. Get the Fear of God back in your life and start to kick some buts for crying out load!

To buy onto this false teaching ends always up in confusion. And from confusion to lukewarm the road are very short.

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove [them].
Eph.5:11

Born again can not sin?

It is of course a lot of false doctrines here at FB (and elsewhere), but it is extremely sad when it comes from those who act like and suppose to be pillars in the faith. Even more sad when some of them who call themselves apostles and evangelist and even more we have to be careful because it looks like they have some fruits in their earlier life. It reminds of a prophesy from 1967 about a lot of believers will first start to preach the right stuff and then starts to sneak in the bad stuff. I hope and pray it is not the case in these matters. I hope it is more like a big misunderstanding!

The doctrines I will warn about this time are explained like this:

  1. When we are born again we can not sin any more.
  2. A lot of the teaching of Jesus is only for the Jews.
  3. No need of give or ask forgiveness after being born again.

Yes, pretty bad.

I will not go into Scriptures to much when it comes to where they refer to back up such teaching, but obviously the first on is from 1. letter from John. The second is that many refer to the “beatitudes” and claim that is to the Jews, ONLY – (it was the truth before Jesus died on the cross), and thirdly the last is obviously a result of the first false claim.

There is also a kind of confused teaching if the souls are born again or only the spirit. Obviously it is not the body …. I will not go into that here only make the true claim that the body with its faults and desires are for sure not born again. Again a lot of this it falls on its own improbability.

But there is a story I like to mention from the NT about born again can not sin:

Galatians 2:11-14New Living Translation (NLT) Paul Confronts Peter
11 But when Peter came to Antioch, I had to oppose him to his face, for what he did was very wrong. 12 When he first arrived, he ate with the Gentile believers, who were not circumcised. But afterward, when some friends of James came, Peter wouldn’t eat with the Gentiles anymore. He was afraid of criticism from these people who insisted on the necessity of circumcision. 13 As a result, other Jewish believers followed Peter’s hypocrisy, and even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy.

14 When I saw that they were not following the truth of the gospel message, I said to Peter in front of all the others, “Since you, a Jew by birth, have discarded the Jewish laws and are living like a Gentile, why are you now trying to make these Gentiles follow the Jewish traditions?

So to say that hypocrisy is not sin or to say that Peter the author of two letters in the NT is not born again will be pretty foolish. To claim that this happened before Jesus died on the cross or to say that Peter didn’t have to repent and because of that ask forgiveness for sin is even more foolish.

As I say; no more verses needed, it falls on its own improbability

To teach that born again people, and who is born again, only Jesus know, is free from this three mention obligations, repent from sin, ask forgiveness and submit to the whole Bible is ridiculous and of extremely dangerous. I don’t care if they claim we are new beings and even can prove they are sin free according to the Scripture (it will be foolish to try to do so). To teach this to one who just came to believe: “You are now born again and you can not sin any more. Therefore you have no need of repentance and forgiveness any more and likewise the “beatitudes” are not for you!”

Let’s say you are free from this, will not the Scripture Himself tell you that to brag like this is sinful! I mean if it is true you can’t brag about it! We are after all nothing in our self.

How can such a doctrine makers survive in front of the Judgement Seat of Christ? He will probably be among those who bang on the door claiming to believe and claim they have the right to be let in. LORD LORD we did miracles in your name …

On top of these things they make sin to sin showing the whole world their haughtiness. They are of course in for a big fall if they don’t repent.

I will end this story with something that we all need to put on our mind and into our hearths:

1 John 3:9-10New Living Translation (NLT)
9 Those who have been born into God’s family do not make a practice of sinning, because God’s life[a] is in them. So they can’t keep on sinning, because they are children of God. 10 So now we can tell who are children of God and who are children of the devil. Anyone who does not live righteously and does not love other believers[b] does not belong to God.

1 John 5:18New Living Translation (NLT)
18 We know that God’s children do not make a practice of sinning, for God’s Son holds them securely, and the evil one cannot touch them.

It is about time that the church gets their eyes open for the following truth; we can stumble (failure), we can fall (into sin) and we can practise sin (live in it – like “live in” outside marriage, something that’s going on constantly).

Born again will never make a practice of sin. They will never sin with obvious purpose against better knowledge. And if they do they repent when they told (Ref David and Nathan) As long as I have walk with the Lord no one in any congregation or pastor, elder and leader seems to understand this; The different about stumbling and even falling to the practice of living in sin. May be I have been around wrong people and wrong churches? What do you think?

ON top of that they have a problem with this:

1 Timothy 5:24New Living Translation (NLT)
24 Remember, the sins of some people are obvious, leading them to certain judgment. But there are others whose sins will not be revealed until later.

We will not mention a lot of these sins which of course is not easy to be seen like drunkenness and fornication and divorce. But we will mention one, that is enough, because it is the root of all, even the root to the root of all evil, to love money; the HAUGHTINESS.